Comments on: David Zicarelli – on women and Max/MSP http://www.scorescapes.net/2008/12/09/david-zicarelli-on-women-and-maxmsp/ Scores, Environment and Sonic Consciousness Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:20:21 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Tomasz Kaye http://www.scorescapes.net/2008/12/09/david-zicarelli-on-women-and-maxmsp/comment-page-1/#comment-7 Tomasz Kaye Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:20:21 +0000 http://www.scorescapes.net/?p=128#comment-7 (@jamie: This was already posted on the STEIM Jamboree blog on Monday. http://steim.org/jamboree08/?p=268 ) (@jamie: This was already posted on the STEIM Jamboree blog on Monday. http://steim.org/jamboree08/?p=268 )

]]> By: Jamboree 2008 » Blog Archive » On women and Max/MSP http://www.scorescapes.net/2008/12/09/david-zicarelli-on-women-and-maxmsp/comment-page-1/#comment-6 Jamboree 2008 » Blog Archive » On women and Max/MSP Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:47:52 +0000 http://www.scorescapes.net/?p=128#comment-6 [...] David Zicarelli - on women and Max/MSP @ scorescapes.net [...] [...] David Zicarelli – on women and Max/MSP @ scorescapes.net [...]

]]> By: admin http://www.scorescapes.net/2008/12/09/david-zicarelli-on-women-and-maxmsp/comment-page-1/#comment-5 admin Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:34:12 +0000 http://www.scorescapes.net/?p=128#comment-5 i agree, i think one way to get somewhere with this issue is by taking the details seriously. i'm happy for you to link to these thoughts in a discussion! i agree, i think one way to get somewhere with this issue is by taking the details seriously. i’m happy for you to link to these thoughts in a discussion!

]]> By: jamie http://www.scorescapes.net/2008/12/09/david-zicarelli-on-women-and-maxmsp/comment-page-1/#comment-4 jamie Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:06:24 +0000 http://www.scorescapes.net/?p=128#comment-4 jokes. does roundness imply a less male interface? i think it might. i also think people tend to laugh at trivialities of that kind because they have trouble believing that "serious" issues can be highlighted and reinforced by something so simple - complex and intelligent as we like to think we are. roundness offends my masculinity?! how absurd! chuckle, snort, snort. it seems to me (and gloria steinem, i suppose) that its often these kinds of insidious details that keep subtle hierarchies and oppressiveness working as well as they do... i don't think i laughed (i don't remember now), but i know i didn't think the idea was brought up in a mocking spirit or was a joke. its an uncomfortable topic, as the best thing most of us could do is just off ourselves... would be great to migrate such a discussion to the STEIM blog: http://steim.org/jamboree08/. i'll give it a go, with your permission to link to your initial thoughts above. :) jokes. does roundness imply a less male interface? i think it might. i also think people tend to laugh at trivialities of that kind because they have trouble believing that “serious” issues can be highlighted and reinforced by something so simple – complex and intelligent as we like to think we are. roundness offends my masculinity?! how absurd! chuckle, snort, snort.

it seems to me (and gloria steinem, i suppose) that its often these kinds of insidious details that keep subtle hierarchies and oppressiveness working as well as they do… i don’t think i laughed (i don’t remember now), but i know i didn’t think the idea was brought up in a mocking spirit or was a joke. its an uncomfortable topic, as the best thing most of us could do is just off ourselves…

would be great to migrate such a discussion to the STEIM blog: http://steim.org/jamboree08/. i’ll give it a go, with your permission to link to your initial thoughts above. :)

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